Tim Thompson, founder and Chief Revolution Thinker at Rev.Think, shares his extraordinary journey from knocking on Hollywood doors without a resume to becoming the world's leading consultant for creative entrepreneurs. Starting with a bold door-to-door job hunt that landed him roles on the American Music Awards and Oscars, Tim discovered his superpower: shame resilience and the ability to enable others' creative success.

After burning out in Hollywood's digital revolution while working on iconic projects like the "Seven" title sequence at Imaginary Forces, Tim made a life-changing decision to attend seminary and rebuild his approach to supporting creative professionals. This spiritual awakening led him to develop his "creative must win" philosophy and the understanding that the creative muse lives in the same brain space as fight-or-flight responses.

Tim reveals his framework for creative career longevity through four stages: Artist (talent-based), Auteur (leading others), Curator (promoting others), and Collector (giving it all away for influence). He explains why AI threatens talent-based careers but enhances creativity-driven ones, and how his Rev Community of 700+ business owners represents an industry evolution toward openness, collaboration, and "other-people-ness."

Key Takeaways

• Shame resilience is a creative superpower - The ability to put yourself out there without fear of rejection opens doors that talent alone cannot
• Creative must win mentality - Support systems should work alongside creatives, not against them, financing their vision while handling logistics and problems
• The muse lives in fight-or-flight mode - Creative entrepreneurs need someone to "guard their back" while they enter the vulnerable state where inspiration strikes
• Fame, fortune, freedom without compromise - These are the three core motivations for entering the creative industry, and careers should be strategically built around one
• Technology follows technique - Understand the creative purpose and method first, then implement technological solutions that support the vision
• Talent vs. Creativity distinction - Talent can be replaced by AI or younger generations; creativity involves seeing and creating the future, which cannot be automated
• Other-people-ness is essential - Long-term success requires generosity, community building, and abundance mentality rather than hoarding opportunities
• Permission granted mindset - Stop asking for permission and start granting it to yourself to take bold creative risks and pursue ambitious visions
• Industry evolution toward openness - The creative industry has matured from secretive competition to collaborative community sharing and mutual support
• Spiritual grounding enables longevity - Taking time to reassess values and purpose can prevent burnout and create more sustainable, fulfilling creative careers
• Revolution requires revelation first - Change happens through curiosity and "aha moments" that lead to revolutionary thinking and eventual industry evolution

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[00:00:12] Tim Thompson: if you believe in talent and all you are basing your career on is your,raw talent, then AI is a very much a scary thing. And you should be afraid because that skill that you have that you're really talented at is a skill that can be replaced and will be. If it wasn't for ai, it'd just be a not a younger generation with a faster filter that will take care of it for you.

[00:00:36] Tim Thompson: If you're have a career based in creativity, then there's no reason to be afraid because your creative mind will always come up with something. And that ability, that's what the creative mind is doing. You just have to enter that space for the muse to show up. You have to know what that's like and you have to use that space to find the future.

[00:00:58] Tim Thompson: I. Project that future and then [00:01:00] achieve it.  

[00:01:05] Welcome to the Daring Creativity Podcast, a show about daring to forever explore creativity that isn't about chasing shiny perfection. It's about showing up with all your doubts and imperfections and making them count. It's about becoming more of who you already are. My name is Radim Malinic. I'm a designer, author, and eternally curious human being.

[00:01:28] I am talking to a broad range of guests who share their stories of small actions that sparked lifetime discoveries, taking one step towards the thing that made them feel most alive. 

[00:01:39] Let me begin this episode with a question. Are you ready to discover what happens when you dare to create?

[00:01:52] Radim Malinic: Today I am talking with Tim Thompson, founder and Chief Revolution thinker at Ref Think Tim helps [00:02:00] creative entrepreneurs thrive in business, life and career. His community of 700 plus business owners represents an industry evolution towards openness. Collaboration and other people nest. He shares with me his extraordinary journey from knocking on Hollywood doors without CV to become the world's leading consultant for creative entrepreneurs.

[00:02:22] Radim Malinic: In our conversation, we also talked about his superpower, shame, resilience, and the ability to enable others creative success. We discussed his spiritual awakening that led him to develop. His creative must win philosophy and the understanding that the creative muse lives in the same brain space as fight or flight responses.

[00:02:43] Radim Malinic: It's my pleasure to introduce Tim Thompson.

[00:02:46] Radim Malinic: Hey, Tim, welcome to the show. 

[00:02:48] Tim Thompson: Hey

[00:02:49] Tim Thompson: Radim. Thanks for having me. This is fun.

[00:02:51] Radim Malinic: Oh, I mean, I always say I'm excited about these things, which I am, but yeah, I've been really looking forward to talking to you [00:03:00] today on my new season called Daring Creativity, and what you do, how you do it, and who you do it there, I think in my opinion, personifies that philosophy.

[00:03:09] Radim Malinic: So for those who may not heard of Tim Thompson and Ian, how would you introduce yourself? 

[00:03:15] Tim Thompson: Well, again, thanks for having me. This is really great and I agree with you. I think. The industry needs to be daring. Creativity, there is very bold things happening. My name is Tim Thompson. I am actually the founder and chief Revolution thinker at Rev. Think. We're the world's leading consultancy for creative entrepreneurs.

[00:03:37] Tim Thompson: So I work a lot with creative people, with a creative mindset and have this desire, who have this desire to, take on the world. And the challenges. I often feel like, some of the world class creative people that you and I know they have something stuck inside of them. They have a creative energy stuck inside of them and it has to come [00:04:00] out.

[00:04:00] Tim Thompson: So to give them permission, give them encouragement, like your books do and your webinars do. And what we do as a consultant is a actually true purpose and a true calling. So I appreciate sharing this space with you.

[00:04:12] Radim Malinic: Thank you.

[00:04:13] Radim Malinic: Tim. I mean, I've made a, I made a first note and it says, you said you are Chief Revolution thinker. 

[00:04:20] Tim Thompson: Yeah.

[00:04:20] Tim Thompson: the first time I've ever had this. So how does one become a Chief Revolution thinker, So the full name of my company is Revolution Thinking. And,Revolution is a time of change or a purpose changing, a purpose or could just mean revolution could just be to turnaround honestly. To go 180 and thinking obviously is the consulting or strategy part of it. So as a company, rev Think or Revolution Thinking is a primary principle that we have in the thought process.

[00:04:49] Tim Thompson: But I also shortened the name to Rev Think because I am actually ordained minister. So I'm also a reverend, so to get the rev next to the think is kind of fun. [00:05:00] so just sight nod to who I am. Part of my past, and it's actually some of my journey, the people I serve are the people that I love and these are the creative entrepreneurs.

[00:05:08] Tim Thompson: So, I feel very called to this purpose. I.

[00:05:11] Radim Malinic: I.

[00:05:11] Radim Malinic: want to take it a few steps back. 

[00:05:13] Radim Malinic: So where did you grow up? when did you first become aware of creativity? 

[00:05:17] Tim Thompson: Oh man. You know, I grew up in Denver for the most part. my family was kind of a sports family. and so I did a lot of sports. but I actually liked performing. I actually, when my family was watching sports, I was watching Entertainment Tonight or. this is Hollywood or whatever the specials were on Saturday afternoons.

[00:05:38] Tim Thompson: talk, teaching, talking about filmmaking. Early on I thought I wanted to be a comedian. 'cause it seemed like a very easy way to get into the industry. I didn't need anybody else's help. I could just be a funny guy or whatever. so this is young. I mean, my mom tells me story. So just when I was a, just a young child and all these ideas I had of how I, was it gonna break into the entertainment industry.

[00:05:58] Tim Thompson: so, and I never [00:06:00] turned back. I never thought anything different. Funny, I actually went to college in the San Francisco Bay area and quite literally at the end of our school's campus at the end of our street is Cisco. the now very well known, multi-trillion dollar, corporation at the time.

[00:06:17] Tim Thompson: It was early nineties and I'd never heard of it. And, one of the, nuns at my school, I went to the Catholic school, encouraged me to go get a job interview at Cisco. And I, her name was Sister Rj. And I was like, sister, I'm going to Hollywood. I've never even heard of Cisco. Why would I be anywhere near that stuff?

[00:06:33] Tim Thompson: And of course, like the Silicon Valley just blew up around everybody that I knew that stayed behind. And here I was moving on to Hollywood to do something that I was called and had purpose to do. The sad thing is that the Hollywood I fell in love with was way gone before I showed up. so when I hit Hollywood, the first job I had actually was on the American Music Awards.

[00:06:55] Tim Thompson: It was a, you know, a Dick Clark production and I, and it was a live big event. [00:07:00] And that same crew right after that went onto the Oscars. So I. My first job, American Music Awards, second job, the Oscars. so I was in the middle of Hollywood, a big Hollywood scene in the mid nineties. Super great. Really loved it.

[00:07:13] Tim Thompson: But the evolving Hollywood that was taking place was this digital revolution. And luckily I got pulled into that really early on and that started my,

[00:07:22] Radim Malinic: You said that Hollywood that you went for was already way gone. what was that sort of sentimental, idea that you can potentially be part of? what did you miss about the old Hollywood? 

[00:07:32] Tim Thompson: I didn't even realize how much nostalgia I had for it until like YouTube algorithms started feeding me Johnny Carson episodes. And, to watch Johnny Carson interview, these stars from the seventies and eighties, Michael J. Fox or. Burt Reynolds or whatever, and they're just talking about very simple h Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra are being interviewed him.

[00:07:56] Tim Thompson: And it's very simple. Hollywood, these guys live in Palm [00:08:00] Springs. They go play Vegas. they play golf together. You know, they're just basically fame and fortune is built into it, this thing. And if you makeit and you're part of Hollywood. And the outputs were very simple. Film, radio, tv, music, like, there was not crazy channels and there's a lot of gatekeeping, so you had to like break through, but once you broke through, it was obvious who the celebrity was.

[00:08:25] Tim Thompson: you know, since the nineties, the digital revolution really has taken over and we've just made more and more channels. Celebrity is who even knows who's famous anymore. I often call it fake famous, but most people think they are, is just known influencers, but they're not. Actually achieving something.

[00:08:43] Tim Thompson: And it's harder to understand the zeitgeist, where the zeitgeist is or where it goes. So luckily in my career, I've touched the zeitgeist three times. It's been pretty amazing to be in and around the zeitgeist to know that, I played a role in it. it's pretty great, but [00:09:00] it's not, you know, it is by no means the glamorous Hollywood that you can see on those old TV shows.

[00:09:06] Radim Malinic: so from someone who's from sports farm only from Denver, who definitely wants to go with the comedy, which I wanted to do myself.

[00:09:12] 

[00:09:13] Radim Malinic: I'm not sure how many childhood issues is there. how we want to be liked because you can make people laugh. But we'll leave that alone for a minute because I wanna know about your role because obviously you said you went with the team to work on Oscars, 

[00:09:25] Radim Malinic: what is your role? What do you do with them? 

[00:09:27] Tim Thompson: So, you know, I'll say one of my superpowers. as my wife likes to call it, is that I'm shame resilient, so I could put myself out there and I can do things knowing that I will achieve that goal and I don't hold back. Or what I've learned now is this term permission granted. Like, Hey, I can achievement permission, granted, go achieve it.

[00:09:50] Tim Thompson: back when I got started, it wasn't, I didn't have all of those terminologies. I quite literally and simply parked my car in Burbank, California and I went door to [00:10:00] door. I started NBC studios, walk from NBC up to Disney, which is probably a mile of a walk. And there are studios and production companies all along bur Burbank Boulevard.

[00:10:11] Tim Thompson: And I just, anything that said production, I rang the doorbell or opened the door and I applied and walked in. I had no resume on me at all. When I got to the, coming back towards NBC, one of the last places I went was Dick Clark Productions. And Dick Clark, if you don't know it, it was a radio personality and television personality in eighties, seventies, eighties, nineties or whatever.

[00:10:34] Tim Thompson: And, he did really big shows and one of them was the American Music Awards. He did the, he the Golden Globes is an, is probably his best known show. And he did some other tribute shows to actors and what have you. So I walked in the front door with no resume, told the receptionist, just asked her, Hey, I, I'm looking for a job.

[00:10:54] Tim Thompson: Is there any jobs available? And she told me, just leave your resume. And I said to her, I don't have a [00:11:00] resume, didn't bring one. And she looked at me like I was an idiot and she's like, you didn't bring a resume? I'm like, I didn't. I just looking for a job. And she goes, well, hold on, I'll just get robbed for you.

[00:11:11] Tim Thompson: And here comes this guy, Rob from the back. And Rob is the guy that hires people. And because I didn't have a resume. I talked face to face with a guy hiring. I told him that I'm interested in it. I was a theater major. I can do whatever job he has for me. And he says, great, you can start in the mail room tomorrow.

[00:11:28] Tim Thompson: And I did. Started the next day, 50 bucks a day, worked in the mail room. And, from that I just found the first lead, which was I dropped off a box in someone's office and I approached this gentleman. This is actually a pretty funny story and I'll try to keep it simple, but I was reading this book, by George Burns called Say Goodnight Gracie.

[00:11:48] Tim Thompson: And there's a scene in the book where George walks into someone's office and his agent was on the phone and the agent says, maybe next time it hangs up. And George says to his agent, whatever that job is, you can book [00:12:00] me. His agent says, George, I can't book you on that job. It's an animal act. He goes, I have an Animal Act.

[00:12:06] Tim Thompson: Book me on that job. Apparently George Burns did the same show. He always does. He just had a dog on stage with him when he did it. He didn't change the show at all. So as I walked into this guy's office, his name was Brad Bishop, and Brad was on the phone with somebody, he says, maybe next time. And he hangs up the phone and I think I know this scene.

[00:12:23] Tim Thompson: And I said to him, I can do that job, whatever it is. And Brad looks at me like, and who are you? And I was like, my name is Tim. I'm from the mail room and whatever that job is, I could do it. And Brad was hiring for the American Music Award. So from that moment he said, okay, great. You can work on this show.

[00:12:40] Tim Thompson: And the next thing I know is I was there on at the, at the Shrine Auditorium. I was working on the show and it was fun. It was hosted by Will Smith Meatloaf and Reba McIntyre. And it was the year they introduced this upcoming singer known as Snoop Dock. So, [00:13:00] Tupac Shakiro and Dr. Dre were at the show.

[00:13:02] Tim Thompson: Stevie Wonder performed a private event for us, and it was an incredible Hollywood moment, all in all. and I, as I look back now, you know, I think it's funny where Will Smith is the one that's on the outs, and Snoop Dogg's, the one that's more famous, than him, but at that time they were afraid of Snoop Dogg.

[00:13:18] Tim Thompson: They were censoring him, and Will Smith was the good guy. so just a great little like, boost to my career and that shame resilience just paid off, just being bold, getting my stuff out there and asking for permission, you know?

[00:13:30] Radim Malinic: I absolutely love that story. I absolutely love it. I think, I mean, I think it's a story of that time, isn't it? Like, I don't think it would get too far these days, but like, you want a job? Yeah.

[00:13:39] Radim Malinic: Have you got cv? No. Okay. Yeah. that's not gonna happen. I did write down permission granted and shame, resilience because there's so much to unpack, so much to unpack.

[00:13:50] Radim Malinic: And I just feel like that's, of course like there's so much to unpack with the awards show being in the room with Tupac and all of the other guys. 

[00:13:56] Tim Thompson: So many stories. Yeah.

[00:13:57] Radim Malinic: I mean, it's incredible, but [00:14:00] I'm just trying to think like. Did you know what you actually wanted to do? Were you just happy to be working in Hollywood?

[00:14:06] Radim Malinic: Like were you just happy? Because obviously knocking door to door without any idea what you could be doing or what you wanted to be doing, but having that willingness just to knock on a door and say like, Hey, here I am, hire me. Like, where is this all taking you? Because, and mostly there, there is a lot of, unlike the time then, now we know what we want to do.

[00:14:27] Radim Malinic: Like most people I've ever interviewed on the show, but like, I didn't know graphic design existed. I didn't know this existed, or my parents told me I should be doing this. Whereas this is just like, this is a blank canvas you're in a destination where you want to be, 

[00:14:40] Radim Malinic: like a Trojan horse, like I'm behind the enemy lines. No, we're gonna go next. Oh. Actually from mail room to the office. So I'm trying to find out likeyour motivation, what was the main draw?

[00:14:51] Radim Malinic: Just the shows, the buzz being there, being in production. what was that? 

[00:14:54] Tim Thompson: it's so hard to reconcile in 2025, whatever, what it was like 30 years [00:15:00] ago, or even just say 40 years ago when I was trying to decide how this would even work. I, didn't know what to do. I knew I wanted to be in entertainment industry. I was a theater major, so I knew acting.

[00:15:14] Tim Thompson: Directing and stage prep or whatever, right? So like the physical attributes of it and be in, in theater, you just learned all of it. So I knew I had hands on skill to do it. And just being naive to me, there were only like actors and directors. I mean, what else is there in Hollywood, right?

[00:15:32] Tim Thompson: So I was smart enough to ask questions to know that there was greater opportunity. No one ever told me what a producer was at all. But, my skill seemed to match being a producer than not. I have a good friend that, once told me when he was deciding between directing and producing, he basically looked it up in the dictionary and, you know, a director gives direction, but a producer produces the product.

[00:15:58] Tim Thompson: So he'd like to point [00:16:00] out. A director gets best director, but best picture goes to the producer like the whole picture and I'm like, yeah, that's the big piece. The overall vision is the piece I can hold onto the creative gift. I'm probably average. So if I try to do something more of like directing or acting, most likely I would not have seen the success.

[00:16:20] Tim Thompson: But when it comes to producing, you really do have another way of like breaking the creative pieces and putting them back together. It's like a puzzle piece part of it. And to compliment or to find other creative people to work alongside is what you're doing. It's actually finding other people's magic and making something big out of it.

[00:16:41] Tim Thompson: So I really love that role. I really love the collaboration role. I love coming alongside other people, giving them permission, boosting them up, and then where the problems are, solve those problems to keep the machine moving forward. That's a better gift, a better fitting of my gifts. But I didn't know [00:17:00] that, first of all.

[00:17:00] Tim Thompson: I mean, I just simply jumped into it and in a very odd way. I knew Microsoft Excel when other people didn't. I mean, quite literally, my, the job I got offered on the Oscars was just because I was sitting behind somebody who was building the budget for the Oscars and she didn't know how to use this spreadsheet.

[00:17:19] Tim Thompson: And I did. So I asked her, do you want me to write, make that for you? And as I built out the entire budget, she said, okay, now you're hired, you're going out to the, going to the Oscars with me. And I actually ended up with the associate producer where we did all the hiring, budget negotiations, filming. And we were on, you know, a lot of people were on the show for six weeks.

[00:17:38] Tim Thompson: We were on the show for six months. 'cause we were doing the big picture stuff, the overall, concept of what it was. And I really just fell in love with that. It was great and perfect for me. So I stuck with it.

[00:17:49] Radim Malinic: Little did you know that I would be up the, very much the stepping stones of your career, because what you do now very much is to follow on from there. Just kind of [00:18:00] working behind the scenes and enabling, all of this to go on. 

[00:18:04] Tim Thompson: Well, even greater, like what happened with the digital revolution was somebody had to figure out the pieces again. And so, going from the Oscars, I actually ended up at a company in Los Angeles called RGA La, so RGAR Greenberg and Associates was a New York office. they had a Los Angeles office that dealt with visual effects and film titles.

[00:18:25] Tim Thompson: And, I got pulled into working on title sequences and film effects, with that group. 'cause they liked my organization skills, my budgeting, my scheduling stuff. And as digital revolution was coming up, nobody had figured out the pieces of parts yet, so somebody had to do it. So we became very well known for the opening credits to the movie seven.

[00:18:47] Tim Thompson: And what people don't realize or why that title sequence popped so much, made such a big impact was we edited the title sequence using an avid, but we had to finish on physical film. And we [00:19:00] shot some, somewhere like 26 miles of film. So to organize 26 miles into form frame edits that you have to manually assemble and then a layer in digital doesn't work.

[00:19:12] Tim Thompson: Optical isn't exposing the film over and over again. So you have to open the camera, expose it, turn off the camera, do it again over and over again. It's not digital compositing. So someone had to figure this out. That was me and my team who were like, okay, so it was spreadsheets and rollups and lineups and whatever, just to put these pieces together to assemble this puzzle.

[00:19:32] Tim Thompson: And then therefore you get this amazing title sequence that no one had ever seen anything like it. And to your point earlier, some people would even say that title sequence got them into wanting to be a creative person and digital artists and motion design and motion graphics. And that was the birth of it was really inventing the pieces and parts and make it happen.

[00:19:53] Tim Thompson: And that's where I touched the zeitgeist for, I'll say the second time. First time was in the Oscars. Second time was doing [00:20:00] the title Secrets for Seven, and then being part of the founding members of Imaginary Forces, and being there for the first seven years of IF.

[00:20:07] Radim Malinic: 26 miles.

[00:20:08] Tim Thompson: is that right? A lot of them is just high contrast images of titles going crazy, and they grabbed tiny little pieces of it to make the animations that people saw. So it was nearly an impossible task. But we had a great strong team behind us, and Kyle's creative direction was unmatched. He just pushed and pushed until we got the perfection that we saw on screen.

[00:20:29] Radim Malinic: So take me from imaginary forces to to be a consultant for the creative industry. Because I have to be honest, I've met you a few months ago. I didn't know such things even existed, and all of a sudden I'm aware of all of this, hyper aware of all of this.

[00:20:45] Radim Malinic: I'm like, well, I've been running a studio for 20 years. I didn't really know as consultants, and all of a sudden I've got a view on all this world. And I'm like, oh, right, okay. So you need to fill me in and put some color into those sort of 20 odd years of what you've [00:21:00] been doing. 

[00:21:01] Tim Thompson: Yeah, sure. Well, one is I think there is an unfair, consulting is an unfair word for what, we actually try to accomplish. I have a former client that actually did a takeover of my podcast and his entire takeover was to try to convince me to stop using the word consultant and start using the word rev thinker, like create my own category for what's out there.

[00:21:20] Tim Thompson: 'cause it's not really just, I'm not a former CPA or a former lawyer or business professional. I have a theater degree and a theology degree, right? And I help people run their creative businesses. So there's a lot more that I am considering, and not unlike you, Radim, where like you're asking the bigger pieces, where are you from?

[00:21:38] Tim Thompson: What are you about? What are your intentions? So we can actually accomplish the big picture. I think that's the important part. here's what I learned at, if like, you know, it's when you're young and. Not so experienced, in production. you think your job is to get the job done on budget and on time.

[00:21:58] Tim Thompson:  So the [00:22:00] best way to do that is to put a lot of parameters on that project and basically work against the creative person is what it turns out to be or what it feels like at, if I learned that creative must win, you know, some of it is because of the genius of Kyle Cooper. Like, he wasn't gonna let you win anyway.

[00:22:19] Tim Thompson: You, he was going to win no matter what creative was going to win. So I had to actually start changing my thinking of what it meant to come alongside a creative person, finance the project that they're looking for, and get it delivered still on time and on budget, but working alongside them. So that shift of creative must win game changer for me.

[00:22:41] Tim Thompson: And it allowed me to be the creative person that I have inside that needs to come out, and have a very different talent for it. But to recognize what the purpose is, the whole purpose of what we're trying to do is to make something unique. To be, to stand out, to be known for something, and actually to [00:23:00] contribute to the bigger picture.

[00:23:01] Tim Thompson: Like it, you know, our legacy isn't our tiny little commercials we make or the in-house projects. Our legacy is often where we can make an impact and change the message or change a purpose or inspire others. So it's always exciting to, for me, for example, when. I'm meeting a new client and that client will tell me your title sequence, the seven title sequence is what we got me into it.

[00:23:24] Tim Thompson: And to think like, yeah, that, that's pretty awesome that I had that opportunity to be around that. well that, that kind of desire I think is what we're looking for. So, now to answer your question, when it came to consulting, actually after Imaginary Forces, I quit. It's when I went to seminary, was leaving Imaginary Forces.

[00:23:40] Tim Thompson: I kind of was burned out. It was hard work. We worked hundreds, a hundred hours, weeks easily. And I had to find a different purpose, a different way to kind of understand what I was contributing. I didn't necessarily like the person I was becoming, I felt like I could even be a little manipulative of the time.

[00:23:57] Tim Thompson: And I wanted to re-anchor who I was and what my [00:24:00] purpose was. so to go find a new foundation and to serve people in a very different way seemed like the perfect match and, was encouraged a lot by the people around me to go do that. Because I went to seminary, a company called Trailer Park hired me as basically a temp employee to restructure their operations of their business so I can make money on the side.

[00:24:24] Tim Thompson: I actually ended up with Trailer Park for over and over five years I worked there. And what I did is I come alongside their business and their owners, and I started building operations pieces, creative must win mentality, thinking very differently of how systems and routines would work inside of a business so that they could be one of the world's best trailer houses.

[00:24:45] Tim Thompson: And it, and while I was working there, they actually were, taken over. They were not taken over. They were purchased by, another corporation to grow. So when I was at Trailer Park, there's about 40 people. When I got started, 400 people when I left. And as I was [00:25:00] leaving around the time I was leaving, they actually had consultants in-house.

[00:25:03] Tim Thompson: Those consultants jobs were too, I. Audit the operations. And after working with those consultants for, oh, nearly a year, eight months or so, I showed up to work one day. Those consultants weren't there anymore and they said, Tim, pretty much your operations is what's wor what's winning here? And I thought to myself, maybe I know something that another people don't know, like these outside consultants that used to run hospitals and education, you know, UCLA or whatever, they didn't understand that our industry is a primadonna industry creative.

[00:25:35] Tim Thompson: Is that the beginning and end of everything we're doing? And you have towant the creative output, operations follow. So that's where my saying technology follows technique. Where it comes from. It's like this idea of like implementing things. In a technological way, but understanding that the technique or the purpose or the method is what's gonna start that process for you.

[00:25:57] Tim Thompson: And once I knew that foundation, I thought, I probably could [00:26:00] do this for a living. I really do love it. so I started calling my friends and family basically saying, Hey, if I helped you, if you needed help or anything that you know that you're falling short on, what would you have me do? And people just started giving me little odd jobs.

[00:26:13] Tim Thompson: I became like a freelance problem solver slash consultant, and that's where Rev think got started.

[00:26:18] Radim Malinic: if it's okay, I'm gonna take you back one step because. Creative must win. It's a very good way of putting it. But you said, I wanna find a way how to go along on the journey with the creative, how we can deliver on budget and on time. But then you said, I didn't like the person I was becoming, I become manipulative, I became burnt out.

[00:26:38] Radim Malinic: I guess those a hundred hours a week can crush any person, can change anyone sort of nature because your circadian rhythm must be no broken shot. You know, like obviously you, you're not exactly fir in oral cylinders. So if there's any reflection, like, 'cause I was getting from that answer something really positive.

[00:26:58] Radim Malinic: I'm like, oh, like Tim has actually [00:27:00] worked out how to feed egos, how to feed the ambition, how to feed all of those elements. But then it came at your cost really for, to yourself really. Like, because, so it's a very sort of strong reflection. And what did make you realize that, that there was some sort of element that was not as.

[00:27:19] Radim Malinic: Kind anymore. 

[00:27:20] Tim Thompson: Well, yeah, I mean, to, to some degree the idea of, having something thrust upon you. Like I didn't, I. I wanted the Johnny Carson Hollywood. I didn't want the digital film Hollywood. It's not what I got into. I mean, it sure does help when you're sitting next to Tony Scott and Ridley Scott working on their films and you're doing digital compositing with them and running color timing and just spending hours and hours with them in an edit room or a sound room.

[00:27:46] Tim Thompson: Like those are amazing moments. and to work with the world's greatest film directors like we did at Imaginary Forces and to know each one of those things we delivered, needed a little bit of Tim's touch to it to figure out how we were gonna get this [00:28:00] version done because the technology had not yet evolved and we had to figure out the pieces and parts and how to work with whatever we have.

[00:28:07] Tim Thompson: So there was something really amazing about that at the time. I think the manipulative nature kind of just came from, an ego base where like, we actually were working with the world's greatest directors on the world's greatest films. And, you don't work with, not everyone works with Spielberg, but we were working with him on things like Minority Report or Twister or, and these films that worked on him with, and so there's a lot to it.

[00:28:30] Tim Thompson: And that ego just got in my way and that's where like, I didn't really like that person. I, it obviously was fun, but it was not, I wasn't gonna be a great dad or a great husband. if I kept that up, I would be successful professionally, but divorced or whatever. And I wanted to have a different legacy, so I had to ask bigger questions and kind of put my ego aside.

[00:28:53] Tim Thompson: And I think. That removing of the ego is when like religion showed up, and that [00:29:00] was really good for me and I really, it was absolutely a game changer for me and I kind of understood calling in a very different way.

[00:29:07] Radim Malinic: what a beautiful, mature answer for that age.

[00:29:10] Radim Malinic: obviously I've met your family and I think you made the right choice because some people would've fallen for their ego, and it was just like, you know what, that was the part of the job. And we'll start over again. But that's a very good realization at that age. 

[00:29:21] Radim Malinic: Go, you know, well, I can change 

[00:29:23] Tim Thompson: I'm the father of five boys, but I've been a father of two boys, you know, like we wouldn't have had five amazing boys. And I have a awesome grandchild and my kids are healthy and strong. Actually, one of my sons is in the industry and doing sales for, some of the production companies in our industry.

[00:29:40] Tim Thompson: So it's very sweet and it's, great to be around it, but I knew that all of us were trying to achieve this and it, our industry is really not fair because, it's very competitive. And so you have to sacrifice something and I didn't really like that, so I thought if I could help people.

[00:29:59] Tim Thompson: [00:30:00] Achieve fame, fortune, and freedom without compromise, then I'd, help them do it. And that's been kind of my working model since I started Revolution Thinking, is that my theory is we could in the industry for one of those reasons, fame, fortune, or freedom. And we have to be anchored in that, understand that strategically and then live that entire career so you can have a successful career, not just business or job, but an entire career.

[00:30:24] Tim Thompson: and I would say a lot of my clients are appreciate that and thank me for that even today. So working with some of them for almost 20 years, nonstop. And it's going great.

[00:30:34] Radim Malinic: Fame, fortune and freedom. I do say that industry is based on. Ego, ambition, anxiety and insecurity. But fame, fortune, and freedom is, makes it sound a little bit more ambitious. because I mean, it's a cocktail of emotions, it's a cocktail of all, I mean, all sorts of things. As you say, the way you describe it, the way potentially, I've got it.

[00:30:53] Radim Malinic: It's like it's an industry that throws you around because you never know what to [00:31:00] expect. Because if you, for example, you know, as you say, you're from a sports family, from Denver, you're on a pitch playing a football, there's rules, there's ways win.

[00:31:08] Radim Malinic: There's ways to lose, but it you can find deviation in those rules. Whereas in creative industry, we go there mainly with our exposed souls to say, Hey, I'm gonna do this for a living. There's no tracks per se. I want to do it a certain way. I wanted to do it because I'm here for that reason.

[00:31:26] Radim Malinic: And then you find yourself not only dealing with the business, dealing with your client, obviously, that your creativity is being sort of challenging. Like, well, this was meant to be fun, possibly not. So fame, fortune, and freedom.

[00:31:37] Tim Thompson: Well, when I think about your book too, the idea of daring, I actually have a theory about this. 'cause, you know, what we're, what we do for a living isn't actually dangerous. It doesn't feel actually, or I mean it, it feels dangerous. It does, it's not actually dangerous. But my theory is that, you know, the muse that has to show up in the creative process is, [00:32:00] comes from an aha moment.

[00:32:01] Tim Thompson: It's like a moment of revelation and it's not there. You're often just. Doing something, Matisse, process was literally start drawing until the muse showed up, right? So you're basically just looking for the muse, but the, when the muse shows up, you actually now know what the purpose is of the creative thing you're doing, and then the pieces fall in and you get these major spikes in the output.

[00:32:24] Tim Thompson: But that muse and that creative moment, that aha moment, actually lives in the same part of your brain as fight and flight. So what I've started to realize is that the creative entrepreneur actually has a different challenge than just, you know, a, like I say, a business process because the fight and flight mechanism, the reptile brain is actually at the core of your brainstem, and it hijacks the rest of it.

[00:32:47] Tim Thompson: So it hijacks the analytical brains, the higher brains, in order to kind of be there and inspire by that. And I feel like creative people are kind of, are asking for permission. can you guard my back while I [00:33:00] enter fight and flight stage? Into this very edgy, very, can you keep peace while I'm fighting this battle?

[00:33:07] Tim Thompson: Right. and I, and from a business point of view, I wanted to be able to say, yes, I can actually do that. So I started developing techniques and processes so that the creative person doesn't have to panic all the time and running their business. So they only have to just panic on the job and to give them peace of mind and process why they, and let them enter into that mu, that state where the muse shows up more frequently, that's the goal.

[00:33:31] Tim Thompson: That's creative must win. And you have to have their back. So if you're a producer and you're the partner of a creative director, that's absolutely your job. I'll take care of the client, I'll take care of the budget, I'll take care of the hiring the people. I'll do the, some of the just hands-on work while you stay focused, right?

[00:33:48] Tim Thompson: That's how we say it. But I think that daring moment, the thing that you're hitting in your book is really to say, Hey. You gotta live in this space. You have to [00:34:00] know who you are and you can't compromise. You can't negotiate and stay out of that edgy, daring space. You have to step into it to be your true self and there will be reward when you do it.

[00:34:14] Radim Malinic: We go another two Fs, fight and flight. We got fame, fortune, freedom, fight and flight. And it's all Fs. But it's interesting because. 

[00:34:23] Radim Malinic: for me, daring is almost as you said at first, like permission granted. Like, it's just like daring is not wanna be standing on the sidelines, like looking at the life that you potentially could have had. You know, like I see Creative life as a, a reverse engineering.

[00:34:37] Radim Malinic: I see it from the finish line going. There is checkpoints. I'm gonna go into some of them, so I might miss some of them, but I don't want to end up, you know, with a half full know whatever life of experiences, like the daring part is like between meeting that news and non meeting. It is, it's sometimes five minutes.

[00:34:57] Radim Malinic: It's, it is taking, it is opening that door, asking [00:35:00] for that job or not, like just doing something which is sometimes uncomfortable. that void before the m shows up. Challenges people. and what is really interesting about the book, I'm working on, on, on the basis and you've been to my workshop in Barcelona, is like, how to be at peace with yourself so you can do the thing with clearest of minds and be ready for whatever's gonna f up.

[00:35:21] Radim Malinic: Let me add another f whatever's gonna f up and actually be, less. Engaging with that sort of reptile our brain and thinking like,I know that I've got option to fight on flight. I've got option how I can actually understand the situation. Because those four words I've been using in my workshop, it's like, listen, observe, ask and understand.

[00:35:41] Radim Malinic: It's like everything that we do creatively in creative situation and creative conflictsstares a reaction. And if you dare to defend your work, you're like, oh, I need to speak. Whereas, let me sit back for a second. I wanna understand it. because when we are full of adrenaline and go in, [00:36:00] I am here to defend my work, you know, on wait, fight and then flight.

[00:36:04] Radim Malinic: the word daring means so much to so many people and so many nuances that,

[00:36:09] Radim Malinic: For creatives, It's not jumping out of a plane.

[00:36:12] Radim Malinic: It's actually being able to do that thing over and over again, and be happy to show up another day. 

[00:36:19] Tim Thompson: Yeah, I, there is something that we're all trying to kind of process, in this industry, right? And I do think there's a difference between talent and creativity. I think you're right. The creative person can see the future and they must create the future. So technically in your mind or in the process, you see the future and you work from the future into the present, right?

[00:36:44] Tim Thompson: and that entire method of doing that stuff does well. A talented person, I don't believe, can see that future. They're not creatively, they're not using their imagination to project it. They have a talent or a skill. So a client could say to them, can you please make this? Here's an [00:37:00] image.

[00:37:00] Tim Thompson: Copy it. Or can you technically achieve something? And there's a lot of creative flow and a creative energy and creative process in it. But it really is a talent where a creative person or a creativity, the one that you have to dare for, is the one that says, I'm gonna dream bigger. I'm gonna dream beyond the scope or the elements that, again, I'll go back to the title sequence of seven.

[00:37:22] Tim Thompson: It's not possible. It was not possible to do simple. It was not possible to do. We had to make up the version to do it with the current technology at hands, and then put the pieces together. that's daring, that's bold. To make a promise. I'll deliver this thing even though I have no idea how I'm gonna get there, but I can see it in my mind and we'll, we'llfigure it out.

[00:37:43] Radim Malinic: you said earlier that our industry is not fair because it's too competitive, but isn't that every industry? 

[00:37:51] Tim Thompson: Well, I don't know. I mostly only lived in this one, but I can tell you there's definitely been moments where I wish it was easier because the minute [00:38:00] I can be replaced, there's, I will be replaced. It's not loyal. I'm gonna say like, there are some institutional careers. You can have government education, that kind of stuff.

[00:38:11] Tim Thompson: Like you could tenure into, if I was working at a university, I could tenure and never be fired. They said, I've been doing this for, I'm 30 year and any day I have, you know, any day if someone else is more talented, they take my job. And that's why this industry kind of keeps growing. I think tech probably feels very much the same way and some engineering, you know, very much the same way.

[00:38:34] Tim Thompson: you have to really love it. That's how you stay in this game. 'cause and by the way, I don't think most people don't have careers that are 30 and 40 years. They have good 10 year careers or 20 year careers. But, there's a lot of people I got started with and I don't have any idea where they are now.

[00:38:49] Tim Thompson: They have all faded away. and there's a few of us that have been around as long as me and it's kind of fun. We feel like there's an old guard to it. So I also do feel like there's a responsibility if you [00:39:00] can survive 30 years in this industry, you have a responsibility to pay it back, and give that experience to the younger generation.

[00:39:07] Tim Thompson: So there's also just a requirement, I call it the other people ness. There's acquiring it to the other people to, to make sure that they're equipped to, take on what they need to.

[00:39:17] Radim Malinic: I read somewhere once mid, my first, well about 10 years in, I read a book and it said, be careful how you do this because you go out 20 years to enjoy it. And I'm thinking, that's just a nonsense. You know, 20 years,I can't see myself doing anything different. And then I kid you not 20 years on the clock, I'm like, yeah, what's next?

[00:39:39] Radim Malinic: Like, where do we go next? And what's really interesting, I think at this particular, I. To the time and age where we are now, I feel so privileged to pivot. You can, we are so able to pivot and do whatever you want to do next because you're building blocks with, you've taken obviously. I think that's momentum of like not akin to a [00:40:00] passenger plane.

[00:40:00] Radim Malinic: 'cause you need to.

[00:40:01] Radim Malinic: build up the momentum to sort of take off in the skies, but then you spend less fuel and you cruise and obviously you know what you're doing. And yeah, as you said, some people fade away. Like some people just get lost and they just sort of lose the love for the industry.

[00:40:15] Radim Malinic: But I think the way you beautifully describe it, like pay not paying it back, it's just, I think some of our greatest gifts because it wasn't that way for people who, you know, for example, your idea of old Hollywood. I'm generalizing. I wasn't there, but 

[00:40:31] Radim Malinic: I would like to believe that we'll be creating now is more.

[00:40:36] Radim Malinic: Generous is more thoughtful and I think it's more about a human because this is how we are gonna go and potentially, made this industry go for a lot longer and make you be more enjoyable for people. Because as you mentioned, the technological advancements like AI showed up and what did we see?

[00:40:52] Radim Malinic: Panic. Absolute blind panic. And you're thinking we should do better than that. 

[00:40:57] Tim Thompson: I think if you're, if you [00:41:00] believe in talent and all you are basing your career on is your raw talent, then AI is a very much a scary thing. And you should be afraid because that skill that you have that you're really talented at is a skill that can be replaced and will be. If it wasn't for ai, it'd just be a not a younger generation with a faster filter that will take care of it for you.

[00:41:23] Tim Thompson: If you're have a career based in creativity, then there's no reason to be afraid because your creative mind will always come up with something. And that ability, that's what the creative mind is doing. You just have to enter that space for the muse to show up. You have to know what that's like and you have to use that space to find the future.

[00:41:45] Tim Thompson: I. Project that future and then achieve it. So there's nothing scary about a technological advancement with a creative mind. 'cause a creative mind is the one that's actually asking the bigger questions of what to do with it. And I really love that. I actually have a theory of [00:42:00] four stages of the creative, of a creative career.

[00:42:03] Tim Thompson: the first stage is a, is I call the artist stage. And the artist stage is simply using talent and doing skill, right? So think about just a painter painting an image by a beach. and when they charge for it, they charge for time and materials. That's simply like, that's how we enter our careers. Like, you know, I worked in the mail room.

[00:42:20] Tim Thompson: Some people, you know, get on a box. But that's it. The next stage is the auteur stage. Auteur is, is when other people do the work, but you get credit for it. So think of like a Steven Spielberg film. There's hundreds of people on it, but the auteur, that auteurs image is what you're banking on. And a lot of us believe that's the entire career artist auteur.

[00:42:44] Tim Thompson: Own a business in my auteur stage exit, I'm done. Right. But there's actually two more that kind of mirror that the third stage is a curator stage. So not unlike the artist where you are promoting, but this case a curator [00:43:00] promotes other people. So it's not quite the auteur, it's a graduation from that, but it's the promotion of other people.

[00:43:06] Tim Thompson: And by promoting others, you also promote yourself. So think of a gallery owner. You must have artists in your gallery, but the gallery or the curator is also known for their curation. So it's a maturing of those first two stages. And the last stage is one that very few people get to. It's almost hidden because it's an unusual stage.

[00:43:27] Tim Thompson: I call it the collector stage. And the reason the collector stage is elusive and kind of confusing is collectors go to Auctions, pay $80 million for a piece of art and then hang it on the wall of a museum for free. Like nothing in the economy of being a collector makes sense. But if you're a collector, you actually know what you've been doing.

[00:43:47] Tim Thompson: You've been slowly gathering and gathering pieces that you leverage at the very end. So I like to point out the first stage is the, fame stage and the artist stage is the fame stage. The [00:44:00] fortune stage is the auteur stage, the freedom stage is the curator stage. And the last stage, I haven't found an F word for it yet at Radim.

[00:44:08] Tim Thompson: So I like to say it's in fluence. So I emphasize the F and influence, but it's actually what we've been doing our whole career. That's how I've lasted for as many years as I have, is I'm working at promoting other people, building people up, and then finding opportunities to influence, to create growth, to find platforms for other people and so on.

[00:44:29] Tim Thompson: So there is. Longevity, but you have to understand all four stages. Otherwise, at the 10 year mark or the 15 year mark, 20 year mark, man, curator, stage never comes. You're done at 20 years. 'cause you didn't do anything more than artist on tour. You better have saved up a lot of money.

[00:44:44] Radim Malinic: It was beautifully said. we have similar ways of looking at these stages only. Worked out three stages. 'cause I feel like the third stage is very much a generous stage for like the one that looks out for the others.

[00:44:56] Radim Malinic: 'cause the initial one is selfish. The second one is a little bit more [00:45:00] aware. But the last one is generous and open and excited about actually what is out there because you, you let go of the shackles of really your ego and your expectations. I think because you've got, also more resilience going.

[00:45:12] Radim Malinic: I can see anything in anywhere and I'm actually happy for things not to work out properly. you're full stage coming all the way to collector 

[00:45:18] Tim Thompson: It's really giving it all away at the very end. Right. That is absolutely just, I'm done. Give it away, and then, you grow because you give it away.

[00:45:26] Radim Malinic: so vi the work that you're doing, how often do you see people that you can almost spot their potential to Go all four stages and how often do you see people that you need to almost spell it to out to them because they've got the talent, but their creativity or their personality or their generosity might need tweaking to, to be there?

[00:45:44] Radim Malinic: Because sometimes you can't make people be who they don't want to be. But what you're describing here, I think is a beautiful, sort of way of life. 

[00:45:51] Tim Thompson: Yeah, it's a good question. I, to be honest, it's even go goes beyond, like not living up their potential. Some people absolutely sabotage their own [00:46:00] ability to doing it. There's like a fear of not knowing what's possible and they hoard back all the good stuff. They don't build up other people. They think it's all about them and they just pile, you know, a bunch of influence just to make themselves famous.

[00:46:18] Tim Thompson: And the fame stage just doesn't, they never go beyond that thing. Or they might go into a fortune stage and just build up the fortune. And I've definitely worked with, some people and they almost come across as bullies. Like they're just pushing and pushing and pushing, but not for anybody's good.

[00:46:32] Tim Thompson: They're just pushing in order to gain more money or whatever. Just the next win. And they kind of want to take you down. and there's definitely a competition out there and some, and business owners like that. It's the tipping point or the other people ness that actually comes with MA maturity. Right?

[00:46:48] Tim Thompson: So when I see, for example, there's a conference, or not a conference, but an event that happens twice a year's called Assembly. An assembly was brought together of business owners that are [00:47:00] financing basically a party, a networking party. So they get personal benefit 'cause they network, but they're actually asking their competitors to pitch in and bring their clients.

[00:47:10] Tim Thompson: So they're introducing current clients to their competitors and creating this big networking event for it. Why for the greater good. I think like that's a tipping point that took a industry to mature to get, you know, 10 or 12 or 15 studios willing to do that. 15 years ago when I started Rev, think nobody wanted anything to do with their competitors.

[00:47:33] Tim Thompson: Matter of fact, they wouldn't even let me. I was under strict NDAs to not tell people who I was working with because they were afraid that I would, you know, trade secrets or that people would find out something about them. 'cause I working with Rev think today it's, we have Rev community that has 700 business owners sitting on a platform talking to each other in discussion.

[00:47:56] Tim Thompson: you know, open things up. They participate, on our [00:48:00] weekly briefings live on video. They're sharing information with their competitors or in one of our small groups, like going deep with what could possibly a competitor, if not a competitor, at least just another business owner and having to share hardships they're dealing with and issues.

[00:48:15] Tim Thompson: So I see like there's way more openness now Absolutely. Than there was when I started Rev. Think I'm actually very proud of this openness and the possibility of getting to that third and fourth stage of a creative career because other people, nest is a requirement. You have to, be able to give it away and you have to be generous and find a way of giving it away and openness to that.

[00:48:35] Tim Thompson: So, I really love thatthat's playing itself out in our industry more and more.

[00:48:40] Radim Malinic: the more.

[00:48:40] Radim Malinic: I look into your four steps of a creative career, the more it makes sense because you talked about people sabotaging their careers by holding onto the good stuff, and that's the fame, that's the fame stage, which is like, oh, that makes sense. Then with the fortune people, like there's again, some other issues, not just [00:49:00] someone who wants to be extremely rich because it's fun.

[00:49:02] Radim Malinic: It's like some people just have no got that emotional void, but just, they just keep going until the wheels come off. But that needs other help. But when you talk about the people in the community and the hardships. How much curiosity do you instill in the conversation to actually learn from one another?

[00:49:20] Radim Malinic: Like do, is there that sort of natural floods of empathy and curiosity and compassion go into this? Like thinking, how can I solve your problem? So mine seems a bit smaller. do you see that sort of open up because that, again, like what you describing, for example, 20 years ago when I got into the industry, like, compassion and emotional intelligence wasn't really anywhere near to what we were doing. 

[00:49:43] Tim Thompson: Well, I mean, so think back of my journey, right? I went from a dreamer basically to somewhat egocentric, successful but ego-centric to a minister. So like ser a server serving our industry. [00:50:00] And that serving begins the revolution thinking moment in my life. and now to get to a point where not only do I serve, but like I actually have a platform or ability to pay it back more and more.

[00:50:11] Tim Thompson: You and I met at Paradiso and we met there because I was helping, I, Marco was a former rev thinker. I helped those guys early on, and then there's platforms being built, more and more around our industry. So I want to, as soon as I see that, I wanna support that, be part of it any way I can. That's why I went to o that's why I'll go to digital design days, just to contribute whatever I can and encouraging these platforms to stay around.

[00:50:36] Tim Thompson: So it's happening around me and I just want to be part of it anyway. But the ability, I think to grow beyond your own, like just physical ability. You have to get out of the ego mind. You have to, that's a scarcity mentality. It's really like it sabotages you. If you think this is, there's only a finite amount, then your creative mind is at work.

[00:50:58] Tim Thompson: You're limiting it to [00:51:00] go to an abundance mentality. Creativity absolutely is abundant. There's no stopping your creative mind from working. Just allow it to take place. Like give it permission to do its job. And that's why I think going back to the original cure of like permission granted has gotta be, why are we holding back?

[00:51:18] Tim Thompson: What are we actually afraid of? Let's let our creative mind go to work and see what's possible. I think this evolution we're about ready to see with a technological advancement is yet another moment where we're gonna have to think differently about what's coming at us, how we're gonna process that. And that's totally curiosity.

[00:51:38] Tim Thompson: I almost feel like my job is to be the first follower, to be the most curious, to be the number one fan of this industry. To give people like a momentum, to think differently or as like to say, rev think things differently to go after those new changes, those new evolutions that are gonna take place. So [00:52:00] my theory is there's revelation.

[00:52:03] Tim Thompson: Then there's revolution, and then there's evolution, right? And we have to give permission for revolution. Revolution is this time of change, as I talked about revolution. Revolution thinking is about that. And then evolution, it becomes the new normal. And that's always processing. That curiosity is the revolution stage.

[00:52:21] Tim Thompson: it's just wondering and looking and having that aha moment, oh, that's how it works. Now I'll go change the world to match that. Now that is the new world. That's what has evolved from it.

[00:52:33] Radim Malinic: I wanted to ask you what excites you? where do you see the industry? But you just answered it like you're the number one fan, 

[00:52:39] Radim Malinic: like an enabler, you're like the conduit in between the both sides. it's something that is so valuable and it's just so interesting how much benefit it's had and how much influence it's had on people creating that space where we can share, 

[00:52:51] Radim Malinic: we have learned so much more about one another, about how we do the processes, maybe sometimes to the detriment of the [00:53:00] originality because we get so much more people being very good at, the top end level, where, the creative ideas and originality really sparks like the offshoots of real sort of creative revolution.

[00:53:13] Radim Malinic: Because we go good. Like, I mean, we, I think by democratization of the information is really good. Therefore, like it's how you do business and who you created with. It makes all the difference. And I think being able to be there and being able to be there for the others, it makes that difference because you never know if you might win a client just because you were more compassionate.

[00:53:32] Radim Malinic: You listen to them, you listen to their problems. 

[00:53:34] Tim Thompson: yeah, Adam, I think you're hitting it spot on. It's the opportunities that we have as a, as creative leaders, though immature in the industry, encouraging others, it's not only just a necessity for your personal survival, it helps things grow and helps build something that's really important.

[00:53:54] Tim Thompson: I, you know, if it's not obvious, I'm a big fan of this industry. I'm a [00:54:00] fan of the people that sacrifice the time and effort and the risk to start a business, to encourage others to create more opportunities for their clients, create opportunities for their employees. I think it's a very hard job and I think it's, it needs support.

[00:54:15] Tim Thompson: and I feel very blessed, honestly, very blessed to love what I do for a living, love the people I do it for, and have a new challenge every day I get to take on. So I'm most grateful for Rev Community and the people that believe in me and trust me. I think that's hard earned, but,really appreciate it that there are people that.

[00:54:35] Tim Thompson: Wanna be part of a community, love to share things, trust that I'll guide and protect them and their stuff, as we do that. And I want that to just, I want that movement to carry on way beyond my own ability. Anyway. We can't. So again, I think that when I, when you and I met, we realized, man, we have a lot in common because we have this common goal that it's more important than things out there are greater than just the two of [00:55:00] us.

[00:55:00] Tim Thompson: And it's more important to give it away than to hold it back. So I love your books. I love the way you're sharing, I love your workshops. and I'm grateful to be your friend now, just a collaborator with you and doing this stuff together. It's been really awesome. Thank you.

[00:55:12] Radim Malinic: Well, Tim, I can only Thank you for this wonderful conversation, for all the conversation we've had prior to this conversation and for all the future conversations we'll have because I'm not always nearly speechless towards the end of this, well recordings because there's so much I'm taking from this.

[00:55:27] Radim Malinic: There's so much that people are taking from your community, that they're taking from your wisdom, from your knowledge, from your guidance. And when you said, I'm a number one fan, you don't have to say it because when people meet you, they'll feel it. They know it. And that is irreplaceable. That's not fake famous, that's nothing like that.

[00:55:47] Radim Malinic: It's just like this is a true dedication to this industry and I think we are lucky to have you. So thank you very much.

[00:55:53] Tim Thompson: you my friend. Appreciate you. 

[00:56:04] Thank you for listening to this episode of Daring Creativity Podcast. I'd love to know your thoughts, questions, and suggestions, So please get in touch via the email, in the show notes or social channels. This episode was produced and presented by me. Radim Malinic.

[00:56:19] The audio production was done by Neil Mackay from 7 million Bucks Podcast. Thank you and I hope to see you on the next episode.