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[00:00:00] Hey, welcome to another bonus episode of the Daring Creativity Podcast. I'm back to unpack some of the gems from this week's conversation. Looking at those moments that deserve a second look, and digging deeper in what makes 'em special. This week I spoke to Johanna Augustin.

She's a CEO of the pond design, one of Sweden's most innovative packaging design studios. And as you can imagine, we talk a lot about packaging and data, passion, curiosity, and everything that goes into their process. This episode was published a few days ago, and it was titled, 

Dare to Trust Your Creative Soul. And if you haven't checked out a full interview yet, let me start with these four moments that stood out from our conversation.

Johanna: Because for me, I love that it's passion, it's confidence. It's,something disruptive. It's something that someone is standing for and, I would buy that a hundred percent every day compared to the data. this is also what we, in a solid way are kind of creating and, helping [00:01:00] our clients with, because of course, we must lean into data to help our, clients too.

 prove a point to a shareholder audience or what have you. but without the passion, without the looking into the forefront, without the disruptiveness, there's nothing. so passion is everything. And, we're even speaking about growth through creative relevance. So it all has to be there.

We enjoy. Shared the view on use of data and creative process. It is essential to use it, but it's not be all and end all. it was really revealing to see how she champions the courage of conviction.

 we didn't say the data is the devil that we shouldn't use, but it was more about recognizing that the breakthrough and innovation come from passion and vision and not a sort of what we call a spreadsheet [00:02:00] in optimization. If you haven't listened to the episode, uh, let me tell you that Johannes has got a degree in economics from

 Stockholm School of Economics and her background makes this stance even more powerful because she knows the data world intimately and still chooses creative audacity. Uh. For anyone struggling to justify their instincts against market research, this is a permission to trust what you know in your bones.

The world doesn't ask for permission. It demands attention for the force of its creators belief. This is why we talked about it. Passion for the outcome always wins over data.

Johanna: so there are a lot of things that, can be done. Then we also get a lot of critique because we, I mean, also being packaging designers, we love this unboxing experience. And, my girls are, generation alpha. They kind of sit in front of their computer and do this unboxing ritual.

[00:03:00] Like, looking, I, I told someone like, this generation, it's My future because they love packaging more than anyone that I've ever met, apart from myself that started to collect boxes when I was like this, very young. I all of a sudden I discovered like, I have a shelf of empty packaging.

Why? And they're like, okay, I need to pursue this a little bit more. The packaging design, it's so exciting. And now I have a, an entire TikTok Snapchat generation with me, like looking at their backpack, who's reading a romantic copy on the back of packs, entire generation alpha, amazing in my world.

 So, all of these details we need to find more intelligent way, to educate and, entertain consumers. 

A fascinating moment. My children are not as old as Johanna's. So luckily I've been spared of unboxing rituals so far. But from Johanna's view, she's observing a [00:04:00] trend. She's witnessing a fundamental shift in consumer consciousness.

Gen Alpha doesn't separate a product from presentation. The experience in packaging as entertainment, communications, and values of expression, when you think about it, it validates everything, fruit, thoughtful design that we've been fighting for as creatives for very long time. we want our customers to pay attention, and now that detail counts, that the words on the box matter, the unboxing moment is sacred, but it's.

Also presenting a massive opportunity for this generation that demands better, more sustainable, more meaningful packaging because they're actually paying attention. They're not passive consumers. They're active participants in brand experience. Reading every word, sharing every detail, and holding companies accountable through social platforms.

I guess you can summarize this moment with the fact that. Our current and [00:05:00] future generations are paying attention to the fact that what we create as designers, as creatives and agencies like Johanna's, is the truth of putting that passion over data into the product and making sure that people can relate to it.

Johanna: we're actually doing something that it's, is making someone's breakfast a bit more happy.

Johanna:  someone's day with a small surprise in the inside of the box or what have you. So silly things, but actually. Important things that makes our lives a bit more entertaining maybe, or, more educational or, yeah, something, something. and also what I love with packaging design is it, it's something that you can really touch and feel, and like the tactile feeling like you're onto to like the, working with varnish, working with you can actually feel something when you're holding.

It's not [00:06:00] just this, AI generated slop that you kind of look at and you get a headache. It's actually something that you can, you can keep, like I did, in my twenties. Keep in your, shelf as a nice decoration.

I just love how Johanna reframed what could be dismissed as just commercial work into something so much more genuinely meaningful. She refuses to false choice between serious design and everyday consumer goods. I mean, how many people even say like, Hey, we just wanna make your breakfast nicer.

It's just such a refreshing thing, and she understands that the mundane moments, let's say a breakfast, a skincare routine, or Opening delivery. Those are the moments where life actually happens and making those moments 1% better, 2% better, 5% more meaningful, actually compounds into better quality of life.

This quote matters because it gives dignity to work that doesn't hang in galleries, but [00:07:00] sits in millions of hands. And it's also a masterclass in finding purpose. You don't need to cure cancer to matter. You just need to genuinely improve the texture of someone's day.

And again, this quote, this moment just shows why this episode was about the human connection, about the expression that links us all together.

Johanna: So there is kind of this,increased pressure from consumers and also, ambitions from companies. I, I see. And also more, more clever creative ways on how to solve it. But,also, so what we always. Try to, infuse in our conversations with our clients is that please do be proactive.

Because the worst thing is when you have to be reactive and there comes a EU regulation kind of, and there's, at the end of the day, there's a stupid kind of [00:08:00] solution that everyone hates. that's the worst, I think. So if everyone starts to be a little bit more proactive and daring, we always speak about dare to do, dare to try.

Johanna:  but of course it's a challenge because it needs to go through production and, speaking about, food and drink for example. Prices are already very high. People are seeing, so yeah, in a way, you get what you pay for.

 it was fascinating to talk about the fact how Johanna's Studio really works to improve and educate client stories, client products. one of the examples was their work for Jameson, the Irish whiskey brand, when they really looked into holistic way of how the packaging could be thinner, how it can improve on sustainability, and all being done before the curve catches the brand, because.

What I mean with this is the fact that legislations [00:09:00] change the legislation makers to some people's dismay are catch enough to bad practices and, and it's important to make products more sustainable, to make it easier on a transport potentially amid less CO2, because 

From Johanna's experience, she was talking about how she's watched many brands scramble to comply with sustainability regulations, producing clumsy solutions that satisfy lawyers, but frustrate consumers.her insights is that reactive compliance just creates mediocrity.

While proactive innovations creates competitive advantage. Companies that dare to lead on sustainability don't just avoid regulatory pain. They build brand equity with exactly what the generation alpha consumers demand Anyway. This moment challenges the prevailing corporate mindset that sustainability is a cost to minimize rather than opportunity to seize.

It's also a call to creative courage. [00:10:00] Don't wait to be forced into better practices there to pioneer them. I. Thoroughly enjoyed my conversation with Johanna. There was so much I, I've learned about a studio, about her, about their way of working. her non-linear pathway 

And had curious, creative soul that, uh, it's an episode I cherish as a part of this season. If you haven't checked out a full episode, I can only encourage you to give it a listen, and I look forward to catching you on the next one. I.