A short bonus episode showcasing a few stand out moments from this weeks guest interview with Liz Mosley. 

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[00:00:00] Radim Malinic: Hey, welcome to this bonus episode of the Daring Creativity Podcast, where I revisit the interview published earlier in the week. It is my opportunity to pick out a few standup moments and zoom in on them for extra value and meaning. I feel there's so much value in our conversations, and I'm thankful to my guests for sharing their most vulnerable moments full of wisdom and knowledge.

[00:00:25] Radim Malinic: Today I look back at my conversation with Liz Mosley. A conversation has been super popular this week. We have lots of messages being received, both by me and Liz from listeners like yourself. So thank you for those. So in today's bonus episode, I wanna revisit a few moments from this conversation and first of from being this one,

[00:00:47] Liz Mosley: This is just part of the creative process. It's the same when, like, when I'm designing branding, I don't know if this happens to you, Radim, but I've, there's loads of memes about it online, but basically there's always a part where I'm like, this is horrible.

[00:00:59] Liz Mosley: like [00:01:00] it, I call it like the dark night of the salt, and it's almost like part of the process I have to go through. And I, when it happens now, I know that means I've nearly got there. Like I'm nearly there because I'm like, oh, this is, this is feeling hard. 

[00:01:15] Radim Malinic: If you've listened to more than one or two episodes of my podcast, you know how often this topic comes up, the things that are gut wrenchingly hard in a creative process, how many times you feel creatively that nothing will ever work yet when you think about it from a different way when it feels horrible.

[00:01:38] Radim Malinic: You feel alive, you feel like you're getting somewhere. Because the easy part, and I think I remember I was mizing on this, with the chapter called, headwind is always guaranteed. You can have it easy for yourself and FreeWheel down a hill, but not get stronger or wiser. Or you can run up the hill, in the [00:02:00] headwind and it's gonna make you stronger.

[00:02:02] Radim Malinic: It's going to make you grow. In this instance her quote demystifies that terrifying aspect of the creative process because the inevitable moment when everything feels wrong, she named it the dark night of the soul. It gives her the language for an experience that usually feels isolating, personal, horrible.

[00:02:25] Radim Malinic: But more importantly, she reframed it that this crisis is a positive indicator. It's not a sign of a failure. It's a part of a journey. It's like getting lost halfway through on the way to somewhere. Really good. I believe you know what she said is that it represents the master level of understanding of creative cycles that most people never develop.

[00:02:46] Radim Malinic: It transforms what could be a career ending moment. Let's be honest, at least for a day as we see it, it transformed that career ending moment into a milestone that signals approaching breakthrough because. [00:03:00] I must have mentioned a few times on this podcast I'm a cyclist, and especially in my earlier years when I wasn't as experienced or strong, I hated cycling up the hills.

[00:03:11] Radim Malinic: I wanted to give up so many times. I wanted to realize that the summit is so much closer than you believe. So I hope that this quote from Liz offers hope to anyone who feels in their own creative darkness, because we all go through it the same. I.

[00:03:29] Radim Malinic: The second quote I would like to share is this one

[00:03:34] Liz Mosley: I think for me it always comes back to, like what my purpose of my business is and what my, so I think there's like purpose, there's goals and there's values. I think it's those three things that I use to make those decisions. like I mentioned at the beginning, my purpose with my business is to help small businesses with my, their branding and marketing. 

[00:03:57] Radim Malinic: I believe the power of this quote lies in its [00:04:00] honest contradiction. Liz has a clear framework for decision making. And this is a question for you. Have you got the same? Because I liked it personally for a very long time, but I loved how Liz explained how she uses those three words, purpose, goals, and values.

[00:04:18] Radim Malinic: Because even though she still makes mistakes, it captures the messy reality of running a creative business where even the best systems don't always guarantee perfect outcomes. Huh? Here we are again. It's never that easy. I believe it's refreshingly human and it removes the pressure to have everything figured out because the trinity of purpose, goals and values provides a practical compass for navigating opportunities.

[00:04:44] Radim Malinic: While her mission of continued errors gives permission to learn through doing rather than paralysis through analysis. It's a wisdom paired with humility and ray combination in business advice.

[00:04:59] Radim Malinic: The [00:05:00] next quote I would like to talk about is this one,

[00:05:04] Liz Mosley: my processing time, like the time it takes me to get over a rejection or get to that good place is so much shorter now.

[00:05:15] Liz Mosley:  so in the past maybe it would've taken me a month now it might take me a couple of days bef and then I can see, oh, okay, I can see the positives here. I can see that this wasn't the right opportunity for me, or that actually there's something that I need to work on here. 

[00:05:31] Radim Malinic: I, what's the right word to use? Enjoyed. Might seem a bit sadistic, but I was pleased to hear how the period of time after rejection for Liz gets shorter and shorter. And just like many things in life, whatever we do as a practice, the more we exercise a particular muscle, the recovery is faster, [00:06:00] shorter, and with Liz's rejection.

[00:06:06] Radim Malinic: She's verbalized it. She's processed it. She's thought about it so much that you can't stop yourself from being disappointed. You can't stop yourself from having an emotional reaction to a situation, but you can decide how you react to it. You can actually think about it because. In this instance, she's talking about emotional resilience, a skill that can be developed and in a way measured.

[00:06:35] Radim Malinic: She's tracking her recovery time and she's healing from setbacks. Which is not just about feeling better, but about building systematic emotional efficiency. It suggests how repeated exposure to rejection when processed healthily can create genuine psychological strength rather than just callis, And when you think about it, the evidence in [00:07:00] our relationships with failure can fundamentally change, given hope to anyone currently stuck in lengthy recoveries, cycles from creative disappointments. How ways and findings can show how we can fundamentally change. How we feel about rejection and giving us hope, and especially to those who are currently stuck in lengthy recovery cycles from creative disappointments.

[00:07:24] Radim Malinic: Again, I've been doing this podcast for the last 73 weeks. And I might be repeating myself in certain ways, but you might have heard me talking about the fact that there's no such thing as end of problems. We hope to have everything sorted and then just sail into the sunset, unaided smiling, with sunshine and ice cream, but.

[00:07:48] Radim Malinic: Things do F up and therefore, being very logical and pragmatical about rejection and how we deal with setbacks is one of the superpowers.

[00:07:59] Radim Malinic: The last [00:08:00] quote I would like to share is this one.

[00:08:05] Liz Mosley: Six years ago, I'd just come off my second maternity leave. My confidence was at an all time low and the Liz of six years ago didn't have the capacity to dream this big.

[00:08:17] Liz Mosley: And I think for me, what's been interesting is reflecting back on that Liz of six years ago, seeing how far I've come and acknowledging that I could not have dreamed this stuff. Now I can, now my dreams are like, wild and all over the place, but back then, just because of where I was in my life and what I'd just been through and everything, like I, I didn't have the capacity to dream. 

[00:08:42] Radim Malinic: as you may have heard in the episode.

[00:08:46] Radim Malinic: I talked about the fact that I saw Liz's Instagram post when she said, I can't believe I'm here. In a certain way, it's a negative language [00:09:00] because we get to the point where we arrive and get there by hard work, and as creative people, we do it a zillion times a day. We worked on a project, we don't always think it's going that easily, that well, we can't never be happy about it.

[00:09:16] Radim Malinic: Work comes together, we say, I can't believe it worked out well. We just spent months or weeks, or days and hours on this project. Of course, it worked out because we worked on it, and it can also be relevant to our careers. I can't believe this is my life. I can't believe that this is what I've achieved.

[00:09:37] Radim Malinic: We need to celebrate it because I loved Liz's response to my nudge suggestion, generosity of thought. When she said, you know what? I couldn't see myself six years ago doing this. it was an honest acknowledgement that creativity, per se, doesn't.

[00:09:57] Radim Malinic: Exist in a vacuum. And [00:10:00] because she removed herself from the feeling that she didn't belong in the industry, that's how she felt. And when she came back from maternity leave she realizes that she can build community around herself that will make her feel welcome, like she fits and belongs 

[00:10:17] Radim Malinic: I, so I like that after, all these years now, Liz's dreams big. She doesn't struggle with any barriers and looks forward. The title of the episode is there to get rejected because most of the exciting things happen when people say no First.

[00:10:41] Radim: Thank you for joining me on this bonus episode, and I'll see you next week.